Oh no, we're using it. I know I just gotta like...run it through your gorgeous lashes kinda like a comb and the black gunk gets up in them and makes 'em pop.

[But eyeliner first. Which means drawing on eyelids. In a relatively straight-ish line. It's...weird! It's weird. He tries to keep a steady hand and also tries not to press hard.]

I don't know how anyone does this on themselves. Also, uh, smudges aren't a problem, right, isn't that like...smokey eye, right, and very intentional.